Nothing to do with the magazine   Wonderful as it is.

I read this: The Anti Terrorist, wake up.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TheAntiTerrorist-Handbook/dp/190560517X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1302081472&sr=1-2

Life will never be the same again.  I don’t think any book ever had had such an impact on me.  I feel sort of blown away.

I feel foxed and foiled and I was so happy to feel like I was reducing my carbon footprint.  Righteous even, compared to the uncaring folk I see everywhere who don’t seem to bother.  I hate using toxic chemicals and I like recycling and composting, this stuff is common sense good steward like behaviour to keep the world going, but the global warming bit?  I was getting pleased to read this section in the book about Global warming, and see just how he was going to persuade me that it was a con.  I smirked to myself think yeah right.  Another big conspiracy floating about, trying to get bored folks with not much to do to fixate on…. blah blah.  Then I started reading, I am sure my body visibly straightened up and I certainly stopped smiling. 

I just don’t think I believe humans are causing global warming.  Not any more.  Was up late last night, reading reading and feeling so mad.  And sad and ANGRY. 

It’s a con.  This is not some conspiracy theory stuff.  Because once you get enough information then something stops being a ‘theory and just becomes a plain conspiracy.

Did you know that Half of the ice in the world (at least) melts every single year from January to July?  I didn’t.  I thought it was stable.  It’s part of the earths yearly cycle and it doesn’t change the worlds water levels by anything other than something less than 1%.  Did you know that CO2 is a beneficial world gas?  That in labs plants exposed to higher levels of CO2 actually grow quicker and stronger than those that are exposed to less?  So, logically the more CO2 forests are exposed to the stronger and more efficient they become and can support more wild life and people (deforestation aside, that’s another issue).  That one meagre volcanic eruption causes more CO2 emissions (at least double) that humans have EVER EVER produced in their whole earthly history?  That human CO2 emissions are like a pimple on an elephants backside in comparison to that caused by volcanic eruptions.  Did you know the world, the wonderful earth responds to such things and has the ability to change temperature?  That the earth changing temperature (which it has done since day dot, being a living breathing thing) causes  (is not caused BY) fluctuations of CO2 gas in the earths atmosphere?  Saying CO2 causes global warming is ludicrous, ask any scientist who knows.  Why didn’t I know this?  Well it’s hardly cool to say you don’t ‘believe in humans causing global warming, if I had heard a scientist speak out ‘against’ the theory I’d just probably shake my head sadly and think how he must have misinterpreted his data or have his head in the sand, right?

The globe is warming, but it was in 1800 and probably prior -before we got into industry as we know it today.  It’s having a cycle, a warming period.  That’s just what happens.  It’s kind of like the vaccine thing.  Disease was already in decline before they were introduced, but most people still buy into the theory that they help us combat disease (despite massive amounts of evidence that measles is now only ever spreading in vaccinated populations).  We have been convinced by the wrong people!  The whore-Al Gore for one.  The guy who will benefit from the increases in government carbon taxes (‘for our own good’ of course, someone must save us from ourselves, and of course our government will do the job) and take a nice slice of the expected $500billion. 

Its me!  I too have had my head in the sand.  I don’t pay enough attention to politicians and government.  I didn’t notice they have plans to cut electricity and charge us more for our meagre use, I didn’t notice that they were planning carbon taxes on petrol.  That it will double in price.  An inconvenience for us but something which will mean life or death fro developing countries.  If it’s going from one dollar a gallon to two you don’t need to be a genius to see that the people who earn only $2 a day are not going to survive.  Literally.

Every person interested in Global Warming and it’s causes and the ploy behind us believing human causation should certainly read this book.

If you can get passed the distorted voice this guy has so much to say that’s worthwhile.  His chapter on education and vaccine and fluoride were illuminating even though I thought I’d read all there was to read on the subject.

This is some of his stuff on Global Warming.  I urge you to view it with an open mind, or a closed one, which ever you inhabit. 

http://theantiterrorist.co.uk/?p=26

my Mum watched a programme not so long ago about this very subject and when she explained to me about the earth going in cycles, it just made sense. That’s nature isn’t it? Right now, we’re in a warming cycle as you say. You just spoke a whole lot of sense So, I’m with you lol, I don’t believe in it either. It suits the goverment for the population in general to be fearing something at all times too.

Phew!  Thanks!  Thought I’d be kicked out of here for saying this   :lol

The more I read about it the more it makes more sense than anything else….

Controversial topic. But, whether we believe global warming is caused by humans or not, CONSUMERISM is destroying nature. We seem to be quite detached from the nature’s cycles, and that’s the problem. Watch this 20-minute video clip: http://www.storyofstuff.com/

Using disposable whatevers is just insane. That’s where we need to wake up. And, no matter who is right and who is wrong about global warming, I will still stick to trying to respect the nature as much as I can.

Nothing wrong at all in respecting nature but I do resent being conned into believing something that just isn’t true.

Oh yes, what Bianca said. 

I find this site has a lot of interesting things to say about the science.  http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php  There is an inherent logic to both viewpoints, and it is a lot of data to try to get sense out of.  Nevertheless, I would rather encourage people to consume less whether or not climate change is man-made, rather than believe that nothing we do matters.  If you know what I mean!

mamauk - 06 April 2011 09:57 AM

Phew!  Thanks!  Thought I’d be kicked out of here for saying this   :lol

The more I read about it the more it makes more sense than anything else….

Hats off to you for being brave enough to post it here

I am not talking about deforestation, or the pollution of our water and earth, or the consumerist waste that goes on, these are all horrific things and things I adhere to my support of this all lessening.  I don’t want to muddle those in with this, it’s not the same topic, really.

I am ONLY talking about Global Warming as caused by humans, carbon emissions and it’s theory and debunking of.

Thanks for posting this mamauk, this is the kind of discussion I would really like to have a chat about, unfortunately I am really busy on the mag at the moment but I will see if I can post this evening. I would urge you not to feel sad or angry though as there are many more far reaching consequences of using petrochemicals and coal which are not even touched on. Here is one question for you in the mean time: Whether we cause global warming or not do we just sit back and wait for it to happen or try and do something?
Jez

Jez Harris - 06 April 2011 10:32 AM

Thanks for posting this mamauk, this is the kind of discussion I would really like to have a chat about, unfortunately I am really busy on the mag at the moment but I will see if I can post this evening. I would urge you not to feel sad or angry though as there are many more far reaching consequences of using petrochemicals and coal which are not even touched on. Here is one question for you in the mean time: Whether we cause global warming or not do we just sit back and wait for it to happen or try and do something?
Jez

If one is of the opinion that humans are not the cause, then how can we do something about it?

I find the science debunking the debunking to be equally as convincing though!  The question is, I suppose, not “whose interpretation do we trust most” but “how do our actions change based on that belief”? 

I would guess in the absence of knowing for sure, the lives of people who care about the environment won’t change very much whether they believe in one set of propaganda or another.  So if it’s not true, I’m not upset.  (I am in principle not happy about how the govornment believe it is best to control our actions, on the other hand, again whether or not global warming is caused by humans.)

Jez, I don’t understand that last bit sorry.  Are you asking if we should continue to try to reverse climate change even if it isn’t caused by us?

Well it all depends on whether or not you view global warming as Bad Thing.

Why is it so bad?

Who has told us so?

What will happen if the world warms up?  Can history show us what has happened previously?

Who is telling us what will happen?

How do they benefit from us believing this information?

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These are all things I am wondering, and working out my own answers for.

It seems we have *always* had periods of global warming and cooling.  It’s cyclic nature of the planet.  Humans may think we have a huge impact on this (big headed that we are) but it may not be as true as we thought, could it be so?

What if it isn’t?

I am starting to wonder if Global warming *is* a BAD thing?  Who told us so?  Opinion and propaganda or hard science? 

It is estimated that if all ice melted actually the increase in water would not affect us too much, what we are being told and what is actually witnessed by people studying the stuff is radically different.

I totally agree about waste and pollution.  These are separate issues.  I have never used disposable nappies, I recycle and compost and don’t use chemicals and all the rest of it.  I don’t debate that all one iota.  I am really just interested here and now about the myth of humans causing global warming (point one) and who has told us it’s a bad thing.

Your whole mind can sort of slide apart for a minute before slotting back anew when you begin to read and read on this.  I never believed any of this either before.  Until now.

But I am eager to learn more, and have my viewpoints altered

In actual fact though, I think it’s hard to comprehend with an open mind if your whole way of life hinges on living as carbon neutral as possible, doesn’t it?  I find it so…

It would be a very nice thing indeed though wouldn’t it if we didn’t end up having to pay such huge taxes and to find out we were not actually causing global warming (assuming you still feel it’s a bad thing?)

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-positives-negatives-intermediate.htm

I have never tried to live as carbon neutral as possible - I am trying to reduce my dependancy on fossil fuels. 

There is science and there is science.  There are scientists who are funded by the government, and when they don’t come up with what the government have decided to hear they get their funds cut until they get back onto a line that suits.  There’s propaganda and opinion and they can be royally mixed into science if someone has an axe to grind.  That of course isn’t science.

A hypothesis (say that humans are causing global warming) is only a hypothesis, and if there is evidence to contradict this (um, a lot of, of even just one bit) it’s no longer a valid hypothesis.  that’s how science works.  It’s not a ‘consensus’ thing!  That is not science.  It’s like 1+1 =2. that is true and a fact we can’t dispute.  It either is or it isn’t.

Einstein said (I think) that it didn’t matter if 100 people thought him wonderful and correct, if only one could prove him not so, he wouldn’t be.  That is science. 

There are many people who perpetrate ‘view points’ and pay scientists to back it up as rock solid.

That is what I fear this is about.

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cross posted before reading your response -

Sarah I think you are totally right though, people who care about the environment won’t change on account of this,  I just don’t want the government to act like it’s saving me from myself and making a big profit from it.

I just bandied about the term ‘carbon neutral’ to suggest a common aim, I drive a car, I can’t ever be considered carbon neutral   But reducing my dependancy on governement taxed goods may now be another worthwhile aim….

As far as I understand, there is no proof in science.  Proof is for mathmaticians.  Evidence is for scientists, and that *does* make it about consensus - or at least about applying logic to piece together evidence and ask whether it is weighted in any particular way. 

Though I agree, it is almost impossible to look just at the evidence without wondering where it came from - following the money so to speak.  In this case, though, in spite of taxes and the government hoping to profit (ugh) would it not profit our political system more to continue with the consumerist policies of the past?

Thesis, antithesis, synthesis…  And on it goes.  I’m willing to predict that there will be a lot of things we can never know.    That doesn’t mean I’m not interested to hear more (or that there is one single thing I don’t question LOL).