I know its from DM but this really bothers me as we avoid all fluoride, in toothpaste, mouthwash, dental floss etc. If this come to fruition I will not be paying my water bill as I will have to save up to get a filter fitted!
Don’t know about the Dm article, can’t bring myself to read the trashy paper.
However, this is something that could become reality elsewhere, this is currently going on here in Hampshire since about 2007, and the latest I heard was that the high courts said it was lawful for the health authority to do this and the challenge has failed. The campaign goes on no doubt but they will probably win and do it anyway. After all it has been done before - the water in Birmingham and a lot of the Midlands has had fluoride added since the 1960’s. I think it’s also added in some parts of the North - parts of Lincs, Notts and maybe more.
It’s the health authorities that are pushing this rather than the water companies, the water companies will obviously be the source to adding the fluoride but on the health authorities instructions.
Fluoride has NEVER EVER been proven to benefit teeth, in facet a recent study between the two New Zealand Islands showed taht kids living in the areas with no fluoride had Much better teeth (yes, tho, I am sure fluoride advocates would say other factors featured).
The medication of our water supply really saddens and angers me. I read such a lot about fluoride a while back, it was used as rat poison in the 1920’s and to mention fluoride had the same meaning as us mentioning arsenic now (although in lesser quantities fluoride is actually far more deadly than arsenic I read). It was used buy the Nazi’s to make populations of people ‘stupid’. In Germany they currently use Ozone in their water supply rather than fluoride in in Japan they fully refuse to ‘medicate’ their populations water supply (esp without most folk knowing what fluoride really is, in the UK most people I meet tend to think it’s something harmless that might help teeth). Some people think it’s more sinister. A lady came in to he deli where I work looking for fluoride free toothpaste and I showed her where they were and she started telling me about how her brother, a dentist, has told her so much about fluoride and how horrible it truly is although he is not *allowed* to tell patients this. He certainly told his family never to use it though.
Does anyone know of places where we might sign petitions and such to stop LA’s signing up to poison our water supply?
mamauk, do you know of any good links or books about fluoride? We use a fluoride-free toothpaste (Green People), but every now and then, I wonder if we should switch to a fluoride one as I keep on hearing mixed stories. I also noticed that from time to time we have a rather unpleasant smell in our mouths though we brush, and I, floss, regularly. I don’t remember having this when we were using mainstream toothpastes. Of course, I wouldn’t go back using toothpaste with other nasties in it. But maybe, a natural one that has fluoride. But, after reading this thread, I feel, once again, we should stick to the fluoride-free toothpaste.
My kids alternate between using the powder, rubbing their toothbrush on a big piece of Himalayan salt or using a Lavera glycerin free toothpaste (glycerin coats teeth and stops the natural action of remineralisiation that would occur from saliva). There is so much to mouth/gum/tooth health than just products one uses I think. Diet plays a big factor, and not just minimising sugar - but also maintaining a alkaline mouth/body ecology. For this you can dissolve some bicarb of soda in some water and swish out after meals. Foods and dental health is a massive subject!
Wow, you really seem to know a lot on this topic. Thanks mamauk. I’ll check those links. I mean to read Toxic Dentistry Exposed and Cure Tooth Decay when I find them cheap on Amazon. Yeah, I know some about the link between food and teeth. I definitely feel very clean and happy when I eat an apple, for example. Thanks again, Bianca
we use sarakan, it has a nice aniseed kinda taste, we avoid the green people one because of the chalk. I love your story mamauk, my dentist thinks Im bonkers as I won’t have mercury fillings, no anesthetic and don’t rinse with the pink mouthwash they have!
Im interested in some kinda petition and will check out the hampshire link but my partner said that if it’s going to happen it prob will anyway no matter how much protesting is done because of the money and back handers involved, I do believe wholeheartedly that as a society we are being dumbed down in anyway they can get to us. Thankfully there are some of us who knows this and will not fall for the rubbish in our foods, medicines etc. I could go on and on about all the stuff I find out that drives me mad because we feel defenceless to stop it.
I make my own mouthwash with warm rock salt water and tea tree oil, I also oil pull if I have a tooth problem, your meant to oil pull everyday to get rid of toxins in your body but sometimes forget.
Yes I saw the DM article and it seems more and more likely that flouridation of our water is to become a reality. I think a new act did come into place around 2003 that meant local health trusts and LAs can order flouride to be added to the water supply. No doubt, this is to override the water companies who won’t want to flouridate the water because they know many people will refuse to pay their water bills and so on…..me being one of them.
/as far as I am aware, flouride does not help teeth, in fact, it actually damages enamel and yes, it was used by the nazis in the concentration camps to subdue the jews. It is also supposedly very cancer causing. We already use flouride (and SLS) free toothpaste and we keep away from ready made juices and pops which are made with flouridated water.
I think it is an absolute disgrace, I looked at Yorkshire Water’s website yesterday which claims they don’t add flouride to the water, but interestingly they go on to state, that you should check with your local health trust or Local Authority….either it is being added or it is not!!!!I know Friends of the Earth are campaigning against it and I for one will not be letting flouridated water near me or my family.
just had a look on our northwest water supplier and found this:
United Utilities currently artificially fluoridates the water supply at two of its water treatment works: one in West Cumbria, which supplies parts of the West Cumbrian coastal area including Whitehaven, Arlecdon, St Bees, Frizington, Salterbeck, Egremont, Cleator Moor, Beckermet, Ravenglass and Bootle, and one in Cheshire which supplies Crewe, Alsager and Nantwich. The population served from these water treatment works is a very small fraction of the total population supplied by United Utilities. The agreements for fluoridating these supplies date back to the early 1970s.
I live in Blackpool and can’t find anything about it so I will email and ask, we already have enough with the fracking thats going on!
Hi trickyruby. What’s your recipe (with the quantities) for making your own mouthwash? Yeah, I was wondering if chalk (even in small quantities) is bad for health, but I don’t know enough about that to make an informed decision. Cheers, Bianca
It really depends where you live Jox. I grew up in Derbyshire and they were early adopters - I have the stripes on my teeth to prove it (eurgh). Here in Wales they have never added it to the water ( or “corrected the water” as my hygienist put it the other day - despite having a conversation with me about the state of my teeth and flouride!!!)
hi Bianca, its just roughly a cup of boiled water, 1 teaspoon rock/sea salt (not table salt because of the chemical added to it) and 4/5 drops teatree oil, give it a mix to dissolve the salt and swish it forcefully around your mouth, kinda suck it through your teeth, keep at it until you have swished and spat the whole cup, this may seem a drag but it is great for stopping a sore mouth/teeth too x