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Continually not listening and other stuff
Posted: 01 February 2012 02:07 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]  
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Really feel for you as it is especially hard to deal with these issues when you have AP ideals or leanings! My 3 year old is the same, rewards don’t work, loses interest in toys taken away etc. Friends do say it’s like a drip drip drip thing when you keep on with the message until eventually something clicks and they start behaving. The only other thing which has helped us is the “playful parenting” approach which is a book I know has been mentioned on these forums. It’s brilliant, turns a lot of discipline on its head through new approaches and play. You might know it already, but definitely worth a read.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 03:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]  
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I’ve been reading the replies to this thread with interest as my dd2 has selective hearing and it can drive you potty talking to a brick wall! I know you said you don’t have time to read a book, but I have found (when I remember to use the techniques) that the no cry discipline solution by elizabeth pantley is the sort of book you can dip into for 5 mins and have a new trick to try to get them to do things. One of my favourite that works on and off is to get something else to ask them to do the thing you want, eg, you want them to put their shoes on, you’ve asked them 4 times and been ignored. You pick up the nearest thing to you, maybe a hat, and use it like a puppet and make it ask to put your shoes on. Sounds mad, but it works about 50% of the time for me, and it really lightens the atmosphere too, from that frustrated tension (when they ignore you) to them giggling while they do it.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 04:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]  
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If you’ve tried having strict boundaries and it doesn’t seem to be helping, have you considered Oliver James’ “Love Bombing” technique? There’s a bit more about it here: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/255817 and here: http://www.netmums.com/woman/health-and-happiness/making-mums-happy/q-a-oliver-james-clinical-psychologist-and-author. It sounds like it has really positive results…

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Posted: 01 February 2012 06:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]  
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Hi Sarie, so sorry things aren’t going smoothly at the mo. It sounds like my children at the mo! my youngest copies my oldest when he’s being a pain. As I type they are seeing who can shriek the loudest!! You are doing an amazing job. smile

DS goes through phases of not listening, just through being a boy! When this happens, I make sure the things I’m saying are to the point. If he hurts DD then instead of usually going into why we don’t do that and how it makes others feel etc, I just say exactly what needs to be e.g Don’t hit/ kick namecall etc. No other words. If that fails, and they won’t listen. I wait until I know I have to say something that they really would like to hear e.g lunch is ready, lets get the paints out etc and say it, normally - when they don’t listen, I just put lunch/ paints out and when it gets cold or time runs out for painting then I just say, I did tell you, did you listen to me? and eventually they realise that they needed to have paid attention. I’m not saying starve your children (I always leave the lunch out on the kitchen side if they miss lunch time) but just gently make them realise that there are benefits to listening!

Re taking them when DH is having treatment - could you give them a job to do? Maybe they feel that this situation is out of their control (yes it truly is, but feeling that something is out of your control is unnerving even for adults) - could they have a job for those moments? Maybe you could ask your oldest to sing for him while waiting, expressing how much it would help and that it’s their special job to help daddy feel better? I try this with DD who gets really out of hand when we have visitors. It’s her job to ask people if they want a drink and to ‘write’ it down.

Could you put your youngest in a pushchair when you’re out? I know it’s fantastic to have them walking, but if it would ease your mind until other things are straightened out, just having that bit of control. Even a child having a tantrum can be strapped safely into a pushchair (once the brakes are on - can yuou tell I’ve had lots of experience?!!) If he wants to walk, tell him that only if he behaves otherwise back int the puschair? It’s one condition and one reward.

One last thing - sorry for the ramble!!..... today I was told that you never shout at a puppy if you want it to respond to your calm commands as an adult. It made me realise that I shout at my children all the time and that’s probably why they never listen to me when I ask calmly (TBH sometimes shouting seems like it’s the only way though).

You are being an amazing wonderful person right now, I hope today is a better day, you can get through this smile

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Posted: 01 February 2012 10:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]  
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One thing I’ve started doing, and it does take a lot of patience, which I’m not known for, lol, but anyway, I now insist that Rye (and minded children)  look me in the eye when I am speaking to them.  And I will not let them go and play until they look at me, and listen to what I say.  I also insist on standing still, no jiggling, hopping, waving arms etc.  I know it sounds very draconian, frankly though, they jiggle, hop, wave arms, look around etc as distractions so they don’t have to listen.  So, they stand in front of me until they do listen.

And if a child speaks rudely or agressively to another I ask them to try again speaking politely, as the kids are young I do suggest what they could say.  I see it as forming good habits.  Just like if I ask Rye to go upstairs because he’s ignoring my requests, being distruptive or just plain rude and he screams at me or slams the door, I make him come back and stand in front of me and ask him to express himself in a polite manner and then to go upstairs and shut the door without slamming.  It does go against the grain a bit, as it’s all so controlling, however, add in that Rye is almost certainly aspergers too,  I find that actually he needs that structure of expected behaviour… and since I’ve started doing this his behaviour has improved no end.

There are times, of course, when I get so fed up I just end up shouting, but if I can hold onto my irritation and remain calm it seems to get through to him so much more effectively.

I do wonder if with your DS, if there is anywhere safe you could practise the “stop, go” game?  It’s something I use to do with Rye when he was around 2yrs old.  I would walk on very quiet streets, explaining he must never run into the road, and that we were playing a game, I would call “stop” and he had to stop and wait until I called “Go”  It does work very well, it’s a game to play, and if you ever see them about to run into the road, or across a drive and a car is reversing etc, shouting “STOP” means they do, because.. well it’s what they’ve learned to do.  It did take Rye a wee while to learn, and I always had either sling or reins to hand so if I needed to I could use those aids… mostly though, from 2yrs old he was walking without reins.  I also made sure to teach him to stay away from the edge of the pavement.

And I do review my boundaries too, when he was younger, I had the rule that he was never to open the front door, (I usually double lock it, but a few times when he was younger, I forgot to, and he opened the door and went outside, and managed to lock himself out - once in the snow in his pjs and barefoot!  Thankfully I sleep with my window open, so I could hear him outside and it woke me up!), but anyway, that rule has now lessened in that he’s allowed to open the door when we go out and go out first.  He’s also allowed to open the door to visitors, (so long he asks me first).

So I wonder do yoru boundaries need adjusting?  Are there some that prehaps Alice is pushing against, because they aren’t appropriate for her anymore?

And yes, little boys…. boundless energy, I found the only way to be ssane (and still find it) is to take rye somewhere where he could burn a LOT of energy!  Parks, soft play, beach..and it did pretty much mean being out most of the day.  And while his impulse control is now better at 5yrs old, he still struggles to contain himself if he’s not had enough out door time. 

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Posted: 02 February 2012 12:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]  
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“One thing I’ve started doing, and it does take a lot of patience, which I’m not known for, lol, but anyway, I now insist that Rye (and minded children)  look me in the eye when I am speaking to them.  And I will not let them go and play until they look at me, and listen to what I say.  I also insist on standing still, no jiggling, hopping, waving arms etc.  I know it sounds very draconian, frankly though, they jiggle, hop, wave arms, look around etc as distractions so they don’t have to listen.  So, they stand in front of me until they do listen.”

I do this too. Another thing that can help. I find, is to ask them to repeat back what I have just said, and depending on how glazed they are looking, might get them to explain what it means in their own words. That way I KNOW they have heard and understoood.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 10:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]  
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There’s another lovely blog post here about love bombing - this one’s a personal account, and it sounds like this kid was *seriously* messed up - killed their two chickens :(

http://babycalm.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/can-love-and-bonding-solve-child-behavioural-problems/#comment-433

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Posted: 02 February 2012 10:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]  
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Sarah, just wanted to let you know I have read posts and both of your children are normal kids ! my brain isn’t working at the moment so when it does again I will add any thing I can think of. but in the mean time I am thinking of you x x x

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